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Buddhism and Christian Theology

Venerable Traleg Kyabgon Rinpoche and Dr. Eric Ryan

Buddhist Summer School - 1991

Venerable Traleg Rinpoche

In Mahayana Buddhism the concept of emptiness occupies a position almost as important as the Christian concept of God. The most important thing for a Buddhist is the attainment of enlightenment, but to do this one must understand emptiness as the spiritual reality that a Buddhist is trying to access through the practice of meditation and other spiritual engagements. However, emptiness is not some kind of occult reality that is hidden behind the phenomenal world, it is not something that is completely transcendent in the sense that of a separation between the world as we perceive it and the reality of emptiness. The way to understand emptiness is to see that it is present in the phenomenal world. We can do this by observing how the world functions. When we observe the world we first of all discover that nothing remains the same - everything is transient and ephemeral, nothing is enduring or permanent. From that we can gradually come to appreciate the concept of emptiness, because if nothing has any enduring essence it must be empty of any inherent nature of its own.

To come to understand emptiness is to realise the nature of everything that exists, both materially and psychically. When we observe the world, we see change. When we direct our attention to ourselves and observe our minds, we again find that the mind is in a dynamic state. Through an understanding of emptiness, we come to see that everything exists in interrelationship. Nothing can exist or function by itself; everything that exists is dependent upon something else.

That is a very important concept to understand, because from a Buddhist point of view, it is due to this lack of understanding that all of our misery and unhappiness has come about. It is by clinging onto one's inner experiences or events that take place in the external world as somehow substantial, permanent and abiding that we have experiences of dissatisfaction, frustration, anger and all the other conflicting emotions. The concept of emptiness therefore, is not a purely philosophical concept as much as an idea that is designed to alleviate our normal experience of unhappiness.

Reality has to be understood as neither completely transcendent nor completely immanent. As emptiness is an all-encompassing reality, we cannot say that it is contained in the universe: everything that exists must dwell in emptiness. Nagarjuna says that to understand that, is to understand the identity of both samsara and nirvana. Samsara consists of our everyday experience of the empirical world and nirvana is equated with the understanding of emptiness. There is no difference between samsara and nirvana in one sense; the nature of samsara is nirvana, because the nature of everything that exists is emptiness. Therefore, when we see things 'as they are,' we are able to avoid two extremes: thinking that things have some kind of substantiality or enduring essence and thinking that nothing exists at all, that everything is an illusion with no reality whatsoever. By avoiding these two extremes one is able to achieve liberation or enlightenment.

If we try to see this from a Christian point of view, I think it has some similarity to what some Christians call negative theology - the whole idea that God does not have any positive properties. You cannot say 'God is love' or 'God is eternal' or 'God is some kind of substance,' because to attribute any of these anthropomorphic qualities to God is to turn God into another thing, another entity. God has to be seen to be lacking in all of the familiar attributes that we normally associate with the concept of a deity. The concept of emptiness should not remain on the level of abstraction, in a state of suspension that does not have any connection with our everyday experience. From a Buddhist point of view, emptiness is present in our own subjectivity as well as the objective world, it is an ever-present presence. It is only due to our ignorance that we are not aware of its presence.

Dr. Eric Ryan

Traleg Rinpoche has taken us into the heart of the problem very quickly. As Christians, we are in a state of dialogue with eastern religions that has just begun in the twentieth century and many Christian writers are saying that we are philosophically where they were at the turn of the last millennium.

The dialogue with the east is now taken seriously by both in Catholic Christianity and the World Council of Churches. Prior to Vatican II, the widespread belief was that there was no salvation outside the church. In 1950, however, an American theologian was excommunicated for saying this, so times are changing. Even very conservative biblical theology - such as some Southern Baptist seminaries - will say that the Bible is a process of unfolding the message. Vatican II is very interesting.

When the former modes of interpretation came through, the first statement was the old one, the second statement was a conflict between the old and the new and the third statement is what I am trying to present here now. Vatican II is a tremendous break in epistemology, in the nature of what the Bible is. It is taking the Bible more seriously as Catholics, which Protestants have been telling us for a long time, and using scriptural scholarship to correct the theology. We were inclined to come from theology to scripture. We still have grave inconsistencies from Vatican II. However, it was an incredible attempt to change our way of thinking, it affirmed that individual conscience is essential and must be followed.

Karl Rahner, perhaps our greatest Roman Catholic theologian, said that we have over-relied upon the Greek philosophical tradition as a tool for thought. There are two streams of Greek thought: that of Parmenides and that of Heraclitus and these two streams diverged. Parmenides said that there is only being, there is only permanence which is real; everything that moves and changes is unreal. The heart of reality for Heraclitus was that everything is in strife and is changing. At the heart of Christian theology then, we have a contradiction that was not resolved in the Greek mind except by the fantastic effort of Aristotle.

The Greeks, quite brilliantly with Aristotle, lined up the categories by which we think. The leading category was substance. The most minor of the categories was relation. The most powerful thought was Parmenides, and Heraclitus on the side. Here, we have immutability as the sign of the perfection of being. Therefore, God was conceived of as unchanging. Modern theology does not talk about God as being unchanging or unchangeable. Michael Pelani, who theologians have discovered very recently and are getting excited by says, 'Buddhists, Moslems and Catholics are all walking through the same territory and all have a history. We have gone some distance through the territory and ignored each other.' He says that we frequently identify the territory with a map; we make the map the territory. When we are talking theologically, we have got a map through this great, mysterious territory. The danger lies in mistaking the map for the territory, however. Saint Paul provided a more encompassing view when he said, 'In Him we live and move and have our being.' To put it more ontologically: we are beings in Being. How can we ever distance from being to describe Being? How can we move apart and start to give it qualities? Does Being well up within us and utter its own words?

I want to do some Parmidean type thinking and look into the question of substance. Here, it was thought that the eyes misrepresented reality and the mind corrected that misrepresentation. The mind is the spiritual thing that can see the reality that is misrepresented by the senses. Therefore, they did not trust the senses and looked for that which stood behind appearances - the substance that lay underneath. That became our reflective way of talking to ourselves about something which we ultimately cannot say anything about. However, we need to talk about it in the desperate way that we need to say something when we love. So we say, 'God is beautiful,' 'God is immutable,' 'God is this and God is that.'

When I was doing philosophy at Catholic University, which is a pontifical university in Washington, there were the old scholastics and the new phenomenologists in the same department. The old scholastics were great scholars; they really did their homework. I have never forgotten the way they studied. You had to honour them, but trying to write essays that said it was not important to use the Greek approach, which said that 'God is this or that,' was very difficult.

I am very indebted to Gabriel Marcel for the way I am trying to think. He was of French, agnostic, Jewish and Protestant background and he became a Christian. He really was founding French phenomenology. He said, 'We have forgotten the meaning of mystery; we have turned mystery into a problem to be solved.' When we look at mystery and raise questions about it, we are encroaching on the possibilities of the question and turning back in an infinite regress. We cannot find the ground because we are involved in it - "In Him I live and move and have my being."

One of our twentieth century holy people was Carlo Caretta, who wrote about very simple things very profoundly. Let us look at how he handled the saying, 'God is love.' He wrote a chapter entitled, 'What is love?' Here he says that Christ is the possibility for human love. This is very similar to an atheist of that time, who wrote that human love does not exist. I think that they are both being very, very honest. The Christian message on the question of love is that is a possibility - that is what we mean by agape. We are still struggling with the concept, we are too positive about what love is. When we say 'God is love,' we are back in the old subject/predicate problem, which is very Greek. You have a subject, a copula and a predicate - God is love. But wait a minute, what is love? Well, that is the predicate, but we cannot say 'God is love and love is God.' Let us increase the predicates: 'man is rational.' What is 'rational?' We say that man is good at mathematics, man is good at this and that, and we keep adding it up until you get a multitude of disciplines, none of which really feed back sufficiently to tell us what it is to be human.

Ven. Traleg Rinpoche

From the Buddhist point of view, we would not say emptiness is love as such. The impulse to generate genuine love and compassion arises from an understanding of emptiness, because unless one has a proper understanding of emptiness, one's mind is governed by illusions. If one has an understanding of emptiness, the capacity to be able to love others and have compassion for others automatically develops. There is a clear link between emptiness and love, but we cannot say that emptiness is love as you might say 'God is love,' because emptiness does not have any attributes of being a person. However, because material things and the centres of consciousness of individuals have the same nature - the nature of emptiness - there is a distinct link between emptiness and love and compassion in human beings.

If you have a certain feeling of the presence of another being or another mind in meditation, it has to be understood as part of oneself. We might say that it has something to do with glimpsing one's Buddha-nature, or something like that, rather than automatically thinking, 'I am in the presence of some greater being that is separate from me.' It may be that one is gradually accessing a part of oneself that one is not familiar with. If one sees God as part of oneself, that would be much more similar to the Buddhist idea. If God is seen as totally other, where there is some kind of unequal relationship: that is quite different to the Buddhist view.

I have read a little about what is called process theology. Process theologians say that God is dependent upon the creation as much as the creation is dependent upon God. God is not a creator in the literal sense, it is more a matter of emanation rather than creation as such. Nor is God some kind of static substance, but is present in the world as a dynamic concept. I think that sort of concept is quite similar to Buddhism, in that emptiness is not transcendent because it is already present in the world. At the same time, emptiness is not contained in the world. Rather, the world is contained in emptiness.

Dr. Eric Ryan

Western scholastics used two terms for this: immanence and transcendence - that God is both immanent and transcendent. In other words, the law of identity was at the basis of this thinking, yet we constantly had to break it because this is not the way that it is presented in the Bible. It is not the way of deep Christian trust and faith or experience. God is experienced both as Holy Other and yet is so close that He is closer to me than I am to myself. The self is not there when God is there, because God is so total. There are other Christian traditions that are also deep, mystical tradition. The terms 'within' and 'without' are spatial terms and the idea of God being distant is very much the product of Aristotelian tools of thought. This became the official theology. The 'unmoved mover' of Aristotle was often distant, disinterested and not at all immanent and when that category of thinking came, led to the otherness of God. However, the scholastics were much better thinkers than that; they knew that God was also with us, so they tried to play this 'within' and 'without.' These are our categories of thoughts, these are our maps.

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