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Stuart: Why
do you think that in the current century people have lost faith
in science; and religion has made such a comeback in its various
forms of fundamentalism and the burgeoning phenomenon of New Age
religions?
Kirsten:
I do not think people have lost faith in science. People rely on
science. In the western world, we take for granted a quality of
life that is largely the result of science and technology. We take
it for granted that when we need tests, the hospitals will have
high-tech equipment, when we need to travel we get on a plane. We
play CDs, watch films, microwave our food, read e-mails, take videos
of our kids. I think we all take science for granted and simultaneously
have very high expectations of it. Religious beliefs often co-exist
with faith in science, or rather, expectations of science. For most
people, I suspect, they are separate things. However, it is not
incompatible to believe in a higher power and have faith in the
human mind to invent. The New Age religions appeal to our short
attention spans, our wish for easily understood religion and for
religion to be fun and not hard work. People like to be able to
reach into a grab-bag of ideas from around the world. It is the
lazy, non-committal approach, I suppose, as religious beliefs go.
Stuart: Do
you think there is a difference in the way that religions of revelation
(i.e. the Bible, the Koran) and religions of experience (i.e. Buddhism)
encourage fundamentalism in their followers?
Kirsten:
I do not know enough about world religions to tackle this! My personal
opinion is that fundamentalism can be found anywhere and everywhere.
It may be encouraged by group doctrine, but it is often an individual
choice. People can be as fundamentalist and self-righteous about
their choice of diet, the way they dress and the brands of stuff
they buy, as they can about their religious beliefs. It is probably
unwise to suggest that one type of religion is any more sage or
level-headed than any other. Written texts are interpreted in so
many different ways by their followers, so people will find a directive
to behave in an extreme fashion if that is what they go looking
for.
Stuart: Why
do you think religion has not died like so many rationalists were
predicting in the last century? In fact, it has actually flourished.
Kirsten:
In times of uncertainty, people need to believe in a higher power.
When the world is constantly and quickly changing, life feels unstable
and unpredictable and people feel vulnerable. It is an enormous
consolation to think that someone or something is watching over
the world, keeping us safe and solid and making a complex world
simpler. To add to the confusion, people often cling very strongly
to religion for reasons of nationhood (Israel), patriotism (the
US), history and so on. While they may believe in a god as individuals,
their religion has a greater weight to them. This type of religious
following is, of course, thriving right now. Having said that, things
come and go in waves throughout human history. They always have.
Religion has existed since day 'dot' and it comes and goes in mass
popularity. There is an element of conservatism in religion (as
opposed to spiritualism) that makes it attractive after times of
big change (like the crash at the end of the 1980s). We are living
in dangerous, unpredictable times and religion may help people feel
safe.
Stuart: Why
have people gone from not believing in much at all, to believing
in almost everything (i.e. spirits, supernaturalism, communing with
the dead, UFOs, etcetera.)?
Kirsten:
We believe in some amazing things! But when have we not believed
in witches, ghosts, angels and monsters? Tarot and palm-reading
and astrology have been around for centuries. I guess this, too,
is part of a desperate search for answers. People have never really
been content to think that living is enough. We want another shot
at it, we want there to be hidden meaning, we want there to be something
more than what we can see. We want to think that we are part of
a greater mystery to give our lives more gravity and depth. I guess
that is why the 'live in the moment' idea is difficult for people
- we want to be greater than the moment.
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Stuart:
Why do you think that in the current century people have lost faith
in science; and religion has made such a comeback in its various
forms of fundamentalism and the burgeoning phenomenon of New Age
religions?
Michael:
I think that rather than losing faith in science, people have become
a little more sceptical about it, especially in terms of it making
their lives more fulfilling. It is a matter of putting science back
into perspective, where it can perhaps make life easier but not
necessarily provide all the tools to live a life that seems full
and satisfying. Fundamentalist and New Age religions which regard
science as the 'enemy' seem to me to be acting out of fear and are
reacting to circumstances where they feel that scientific and technological
advances have somehow left them behind or have nothing whatsoever
to do with how they live their lives. They are reacting to a view
of science that regards the belief in higher powers or universal
energies as completely illogical and, to them, that is completely
illogical.
Stuart: Do
you think there is a difference in the way that religions of revelation
(i.e. the Bible, the Koran) and religions of experience (i.e. Buddhism)
encourage fundamentalism in their followers?
Michael:
Any religion where life is regarded as some sort of trial that you
have to get through before you die and then you are swept up into
some form of eternal paradise, will have a completely different
form of fundamentalism to religions that view life as an important
part of the whole process of achieving enlightenment. The so-called
'religions of revelation' have you on a waiting list where you can
be suddenly tossed away if you make a mistake. So you have to be
constantly vigilant to keep your spot. This sort of attitude can,
in fundamentalists, create an 'I'm more religious than you are'
competition, which can certainly lead to extreme behaviour. So-called
'religions of experience' seem to me to treat life in a gentler
manner and so are easier to adhere to without constantly having
to prove how devout you are.
Stuart: Why do you think religion has not died like so many rationalists
were predicting in the last century? In fact, it has actually flourished.
Michael:
Religion has not died because part of the basic human condition
aspires to find some solution and meaning in life that is beyond
the cold, hard facts of the here and now. Whether you look to mathematics
or to god, the need is the same. It is interesting to note, however,
that some of the forms of religion that the rationalists from the
last century were writing obituaries for, are actually struggling
in the new century. They are being seen as increasingly out of touch
and out of step with the lives of the people who once looked to
those religions for guidance. A continuing need for something beyond
the day-to-day, which makes sense of existence, has seen people
looking further afield from the traditional institutions that provided
for this need. Others of course have trained their glare on the
existing religions, picking out the bits they do not like and concentrating
on the ones they do like, which is where fundamentalism comes in.
Stuart: Why
have people gone from not believing in much at all, to believing
in almost everything (i.e. spirits, supernaturalism, communing with
the dead, UFOs, etcetera.)?
Michael:
People have always believed in almost everything. Whether it is
sea monsters or UFOs, there have always been people who believe
in something beyond what their physical senses tell them. For many
people - in a western context in particular - the traditional forms
of religion have begun to look a little shabby, out-dated or irrelevant.
So, still feeling the need for a spiritual element in their lives,
people have moved onto other more interesting and fulfilling pastures.
Trends and fashions intrude, even in the world of spirituality and
religion.
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